http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Samson Blinded: Recent Posts en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:04:37 +0000 http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=77#post-528 Sat, 11 Jun 2011 21:41:52 +0000 alex 528@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ <p>Chaim: it seems you did not answer all of my points (and I'm still waiting for your answers in the forums...). Oh well, but I will answer yourse. </p> <blockquote><p>I’m not asking anyone to leave his faith.</p></blockquote> <p>Is that honest? Do you not ask those who vision the Written Law through the eyes of the Oral Law to forget their faith? What bothers you about the idea that Moses had known that people will one day stop being able to follow the Torah, so he gave an explanation Orally? </p> <blockquote><p>Ask yourself this: it’s what we call judaism a true faith?</p></blockquote> <p>Although this is probably a rhetorical question, I'll note that "Judaism" is a label given to our religion by the Christians, not by us. </p> <blockquote><p>Why there is so much differences between the written law and the Halacha? </p></blockquote> <p>You are the one seeing the difference. Let's say someone has lost a phone with lecherouss photos in it. If I return it, I may cause him to sin. If I don't, then what about the Commandment to return lost property?</p> <p>Such basic stuff is what the Rabbis are dealing with to this day. Do you expect the Written Law, given thousand of years ago, to answer such questions? There is a reason why the 70 Elders had joined Moses.</p> <p>We see interpretation in the Torah itself: "And they put him in ward, because it was not declared ("Porash") what should be done to him." (Numbers 15:34) Other examples exist, ask me for them if this one is not enough. The point is that interpretation, Pirush, is not alien to the Torah; it is suggested by it. </p> <blockquote><p>Why the “interpreters of the law” as you call them are wearing in Eastern Europe clothes from 300 years?</p></blockquote> <p>Not much of a valid point for the argument, but the simple answer, without eplaining the process, is that they want to stay different. Jews who don't stay different, intermarry and assimilate. Mahlon and Kilion died because of their intermarriage. So obviously, if one needs to dress like a 18th century European to stay different, let him do thus. </p> <blockquote><p>Why they discuss the law and re-interpret it since 2500 years ago?</p></blockquote> <p>There are always points to discuss. You couldn't even answer the simple question, do days begin in the evening or in the dawn. Are you honest? Please answers these questions: to which Shabbat does "M'Mohorat HaShabbat" (Leviticus 23:11) refers to? What a Pedder (Leviticus 1:8,12; 8:20) means? And the rest of my questions which you've avoided.</p> <p>Come one, I have not asked for something too hard. Let's see your honesty. Prove no interpretation is needed for such basic matters. </p> <blockquote><p>Why a once simple law, destined to be read to the people every seven years should be discussed every day?</p></blockquote> <p>First of all, it doesn't seem that people could ever practice the Law properly, whether it was or wasn't read to them. Secondly, not 2 people understand the "simple" Law in the same way. Have a discussion with the Karaites (and for the last time, I DO NOT suggest you are one of them), who only follow the written Law, and find 2 of them who agree on every single Commandment. They can't even decide whether the Mezuzoth Commandment is literal or an expression. </p> <p>You disagree with Obadiah. You disagree with me. Do you really believe that there's nothing to discuss about the Law, that everything is all so clear? </p> <blockquote><p>Why Halacha incorporated all kind of foreign figures after the first deportation to babel?</p></blockquote> <p>Please. You might as well claim that the Torah has "foreign figures" in it. Anyway, let me remind you that King Josiah was very much surprised when they have found a Torah scroll. </p> <p>Certainly the people have not been familiar with the Commandments. The Priests have been as assimilated and intermarried as the rest of the people. It is the Temple Scribes, who later became the Hasideans, who later became the Pharisees, that have kept the knowledge of the Law. </p> <p>Also, please adress my claim about Hosea 8:12. </p> <blockquote><p>Why, simply, Am Israel is not happy with the Halacha, believing in all kind of strange elements?</p></blockquote> <p>Errm... Shouldn't I be asking you this question: why are you not happy with the Halacha? In case you've wrote Halacha instead of Torah -- but the nation is, for the most part, happy with it. You are the one thinking 90% of the Jews to be idolaters. </p> <blockquote><p>I did it once, a long time ago. My heart told me, I needed to search for the truth. And rabbis cannot provide it, since they built traditions and traditions over a no-logic basis. </p></blockquote> <p>Their logic may seem strange to those unfamiliar with it, but it's actually pretty profound. Take the example of Mezuzoth: Deuteronomy 6:9 has the word with one letter Waw ("Vav" in modern Hebrew). Deuteronomy 11:20 has it with two Waws.</p> <p>Now, the word is to be read in plural, however, we don't believe G-d arbitrairly changes the letters of his Law. So the Rabbinical coclusion is, as supported by the sripture, that even though it is written of two Mezuzoth, you should actually put only one Mezuzah. </p> <p>How many Mezuzoth do you have? If 1, then you don't follow the Law literally, which suggests 2. If none, then you have the prove the Rabbis wrong when they take the Commandment literally. Or may be you actually do have 2 Mezuzoth. So you you are left to define what a Mezuzah is ;) . See the necesity of interpretation? </p> <blockquote><p>They invented themselves and three of them can name a fourth. That made no sense to me.</p></blockquote> <p>Could it be that you simply don't understand their logic? </p> <blockquote><p>So I began to be honest with myself. I just know, our forefathers were not supermen, but simple people.</p></blockquote> <p>Simple Pagans, actually. Do I really need to give you more examples of how interpretation is a must? Exodus 34:6 has 2 times the Tetgrammaton. Can you solve this without an interpretation? Let's see your honesty at work. </p> <blockquote><p>No contaminated knowledge, but, how you track that knowledge back to 4000 years? That is what I ask. The task is to think the law as a simple one, made for simple man and women. We need to be honest and stop believing bullshit.</p></blockquote> <p>After you did not adress even one of my quotations of scripture, do you really believe that people are going to buy that <em>you</em> are the honest one? </p> <p>A Jew whose interpretation of the Torah has lead him to intermarriage can't be preaching about honesty. </p> <blockquote><p>About Pharisees: Don’t just think this is a Pharisaic-Sadducee clash.</p></blockquote> <p>Never did I claim so, and yet it's the second time you mention this claim. I get it, it's not a fight between two sects. How does that answer my point? When do days begin, Chaim? Morning or evening? Is the calendar solar or lunar?</p> <blockquote><p>Contamination came in several ways. Rabbis ARE NOT pharisees.</p></blockquote> <p>Rabbis are not Pharisees? Do you even read what you right? The Pharisees who created Hanukkah are not Rabbis? The Pharisees who observed 4 Minim on Sukkoth are not Rabbis? The ones mentioned in the New Testament are not Rabbis? Learn some history before you type. </p> <blockquote><p>And again, I still think you take sentences out of the context. This is of course a rabbinical trick.</p></blockquote> <p>Great, now, can we discuss those mysterious passages, or do you prefer to avoid a confrontation with the text in its context? Aren't you the one who still did not return an answer to me about our last argument? You think I have no time but to trick people tricks? It's a serious debate, let's see you handling it. </p> <blockquote><p>I have a better question for you then: It’s legal to eat fish blood? Yes or Not?</p></blockquote> <p>Oh good, what a geniuess are you! Instead of adressing my questions as a normal man does, you simply avoid them with another question, yay! Oh, but unlike you, I am actually going to answer what I'm asked. </p> <p>My opinion is that any blood is forbidden. The Law repeats that the Spirit is in the blood. If the fish has enough Soul (Nephesh) to be rendered Kosher / unKosher, surely its blood is forbidden. So simply, <strong>no</strong>, it's not legal to drink fish's blood. The Rabbis probably have a different understanding, though. </p> <p>Shame on you, that instead of having an actual argument, you avoid answering. Really proves who may stand behind his claims. Preaching about honesty and hypocricy... </p> <blockquote><p>I know I’m jewish because so far up my family is both sides jews. Further up I cannot tell you.</p></blockquote> <p><strong>Exactly</strong>: and how do they know? And how do their parents know? etc etc. The point is that tradition, that is what tells you that you're Jewish. If you completely disregard it, then you are ought to prove you're Jewish by other means. </p> <blockquote><p>Honestly. We are what we are raised to be.</p></blockquote> <p>Well, that seems to contradict you other claim. </p> <blockquote><p>How I know it’s Shabbat? I just check the calendar. How do you know it?</p></blockquote> <p>Which calendar? The Rabbinical one? May be you don't get the point of the question, so let me explain: you must assume that people have kept the Shabbat, and therefore it was not confused with other days, not moved, whether accidentaly or on purpose. </p> <p>How do you know that the Rabbis you hate so much did not switch the Shabbat, which means for you that you observe it on the wrong day? How do you know it was not confused during some period in, let's say, the Babylonian exile? </p> <p>What other than tradition assures you that really such and such a day, and not another day, is the real Shabbat? Let's see an honest answer. </p> <p>As for how do I know it: both by tradition (which you believe you disregard), and by the Pharisaic decision. </p> <blockquote><p>Of course, just for you to know, in my family back in Poland were hanged 90 members in the shtetl square. A lot of those males were rabbis, and great ones. And I guess I could be one too, just I did not bought a lot of rabbinic literature, so I had to dig for myself.</p></blockquote> <p>Irrelevent for the discussion. </p> <blockquote><p>I understand you suggest we are here because rabbis kept the faith. I don’t agree with that. We are destined to be, and distorting the law for a direction or another won’t change a lot.</p></blockquote> <p>I've actually suggested many ideas. Of course you may choose to sidagree with me, but then you have to show which evidence is on your side. In this point you've failed to function. </p> <p>Distort the Law? Where did I distort it? Can you actually back up your claim? </p> <blockquote><p>What is for you “fundamentalist” judaism? My judaism? Your judaism? Ovadiah one? Easy to check:<br /> The one with more power.</p></blockquote> <p>Fundamentalism is the Tanakh, with some directions from the Mishnah and Gmara. And Rambam, too. Not the Shulchan Aruch (Beit Yosef) religion. </p> <p>And it's good that you have admitted, at least, that the right Judaism is the one which survives. That points towards Pharisaic teachings. </p> http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=76#post-527 Sun, 29 May 2011 14:45:52 +0000 alex 527@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ <p>Answers to Chaim, from the topic "Intentions, not outcomes". </p> <blockquote><p>1- Nehemiah told the priest needed to translate the law. AFTER THE FIRST EXILE. Never was it mentioned before the forst exile. Please don’t play missing the timing.. </p></blockquote> <p>OK, but do you realize what that means? The people couldn't just "read and understand" it, as you seem to suggest. In a time when literacy is not self-evident, and the common language is Aramaic, people who explain and interpret must be in existence. You imagine a society close to ours; they weren't. </p> <p>Again, as the example of Menashe the evil King proves, authority is not about "dynastic line" alone. I don't care if the Rabbis have been appointed by themselves. That means nothing concerning their authority. </p> <blockquote><p>2-About Jeremiah: The babilonians killed a lot of priests, including the High priest. </p></blockquote> <p>And...? There was no Temple, so obviously there was no functioning High Priest. But the High Priest's (Seraiah's) death means nothing: all of them died eventually. So he was replaced, a generation later, by his descendant. So, when you originally claimed that the line of Priests has been broken, you were wrong. </p> <blockquote><p>3-Nehemiah and Ezra wanted to “clean” the babilonical corruption. This includes 2 things: Babilonical women the exilees brought back (idolatrous ones) and other peoples brought to Judea and Israel by Babilonicals (idolatrous too).<br /> There is no way they can refuse an Hebrew man to marry a non idolatrous women. Please read the context. </p></blockquote> <p>What Babilonian women? It says nothing about them. It's funny how you call me to read the context. It would be good had you done so yourself. </p> <p>1 After these things had been done, the leaders came to me and said, “The people of Israel, including the priests and the Levites, have not kept themselves separate from the neighboring peoples with their detestable practices, like those of the Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Ammonites, Moabites, <strong>Egyptians and Amorites. 2 They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them.</strong> And the leaders and officials have led the way in this unfaithfulness.” </p> <p>Don't even bring the 7 nations here: Egyptians, Ammonites, and Moabites are not included among them. He called us "the holy race" (lit. Sperm of Holiness, "Zera' HaKodesh"), clearly not a religious trait. Nehemiah 13:24 speaks of the Hebrew language: "And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people." - nothing to do with idolatry. </p> <blockquote><p>4- You boil my blood here: Deuteronomy 7:3 referes to THE WOMEN OF THE SEVEN PEOPLES THAT DWELL ON THE PROMISED LAND. this is a common passage TOTALLY de-contextualized by rabbis.<br /> Please, again, read the context. By the same token you should kill every non jew EVERYWHERE. </p></blockquote> <p>Your blood boils in vain -- you are the one not understanding the commandment. Ezra 9:2, which quotes Deuteronomy 7:3, refers to foreign nations not on the basis of them being "the 7 nations", the fact is that other nations are mentioned too. While in the verse before, "detestable practices" are mentioned, it is all clearly said in a cultural, not religious, context. </p> <p>It's not about Jewishness: if it's decided by the father, which we assume it does, then there should have been no problem with the foreign women. Deuteronomy 7:6 says: "For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above <strong>all</strong> people that [are] upon the face of the earth." </p> <p>According to you, Nehemiah clearly had no right to throw the Gentile women away. Yet he had acted properly, and thus saved the nation from cultural assimilation. Nehemiah 13:23 speaks of Ashdodite women, which Nehemiah has despised and has described with loath. How's that for a "self-appointed leader"? Likewise, the Rabbis, who invented most of their rules, have saved us throughout history. </p> http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=75#post-526 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:52:45 +0000 Fur 526@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ <p>Hello all Happy Holidays i wishes to all of us the best in this year of 2010....i just received an email from my best friend and want to share with you... While it is important for us to always remember and educate about the Holocaust, we as Jews need to remember that everyday there are people suffering at the hands of tyrants around the world. If we don't speak up, if we don't pressure our governments to do everything in their power to try and stop these people, whether in Darfur, Iran,Iraq or wherever in the world it is happening, then we are no better than the Germans and its' allies were in the 1930's and 40's.... </p> http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-525 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 02:47:16 +0000 gibor 525@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ <p>Mohammed your prophet, was a young boy in Mecca, he knew many Jews who lived there in his time. He heard some stories of the "distorted Torah"and perhaps from the Midrashim . In his later life he visited Byzantine territories in his frequent trips as a camel driver (which was a respectful occupation in his time) especially Damascus, that was at the time Orthodox Rite Christian center and there he has heard about the Gospels. In his early 20's. After marrying his boss, a very rich widow 20 years of his senior, he aquired a very confortable lifestyle. Whatever was the story with the writing the down the product of his confused brain and the vague mixture of the stories from the Midrashim, the Torah, and the Gospels, unquestionably created a new successful religion religion. Occupied the land from the Atlantic India, in a very short time. The Quran maybe a very influential collection of this man's brainstorms so are the Mein Kampf or das Capital. Just because ten tousand birds are eating horse manure, horse manure is still just that. </p> http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-524 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:58:37 +0000 Saar 524@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ <p>Any distortion of the Torah (G-d's only and final word) is not true monotheism. By definition, you are attacking G-d, and therefore denying his kingship. And according to Rambam, in Rambam's Igeret Teiman, all the polytheistic nations realized that their beliefs were being challenged. So they joined forces with the goal to destroy Israel, falsify monotheism and Judaism, and replace it with their false monotheism: Islam. </p> http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-523 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:50:56 +0000 Saar 523@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ <p>Influence is irrelevant. Determining the amount of drones you can get to follow whether by sword or by destitution is irrelevant. Karl Marx has more followers than Mohammed and Jesus put together. Consensus does not make something true. It was once a consensus that the world was flat. You choose to follow, like the Christians, a man. The Tanach provides a formula to determine the true messiah. Both Mohammed and Jesus failed miserably. Prophesy ended centuries before both men decided to turn the world for the worst. Their hypocritical, screwed up followers continue to bring darkness to the world. The G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob revealed himself to the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai, millions witnessed it. Not just one crazy loon in the Arabian desert. That was the only and final revelation as stated in the Torah. The Torah is the only testament. Gentiles do not have to follow the many commandments in the Torah. They must follow only certain moral laws. But they are also not allowed to distort the Torah and fabricate "new testaments". The Christian testament and the Koran are abominations to G-d's overall plan. </p> http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-522 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:06:43 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 522@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Americans converting to Islam Fox News: Fox News: Youth Christian Americans Turning To ISLAM 3 min - 22-Jul-2007 video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6106146323162544053 2.4million American converts to Islam CNN News: video 1.5 Million Americans converted to ISLAM in USA youtube.com/watch?v=NHKL3uHyeyA&amp;mode=related&amp;search= Evangelical Christian converts to Islam P1 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtDBvsq4qJw&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtDBvsq4qJw&amp;feature=related</a> True believers By KSENIA SVETLOVA November 28, 2005 "numerous studies indicate that the rapid growth of Islam in the United States, Canada, Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa is, in fact, due to conversion." <a href="http://www.jpost.com:80/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&amp;cid=1132475618729&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" rel="nofollow">www.jpost.com:80/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&amp;cid=1132475618729&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull</a> Muslims in America: Islam in Exile ffh.films.com/id/4592/Muslims_in_America_Islam_in_Exile.htm This program examines the surprisingly rapid growth of Islam in the heart of America’s Bible Belt, a predominantly fundamentalist Christian locale. Interviews with refugees living in the region and with experts in American Islam reveal the resiliency of a faith that can thrive in exile. The history of Islam, Islamic contributions to the arts and sciences, and common ground between Muslims and Christians are also highlighted. (57 minutes) http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-521 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:06:27 +0000 Anonymous 521@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Charles..., AKA Leroy Jones does what many Islamists do. They barrage blogs with ridiculous links and statements that are taken out of context to make his side look good, a classic case of insecurity and no confidence in his own words. They seem to think that attacking people personally, not arguing the facts provided to them by other comments by calling them stupid and throwing a thousand links. Every link Leroy provided Christians can provide the same. In China, which has over a billion people, and will be a powerhouse in the future, Christianity is spreading dramatically. The Torah is true because 3 million people witnessed the revelation at Mt. Sinai, not one man, not one crazy loser from Arabia. Jews have out lasted the Assyrians, Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, and we will outlast Christianity and Islam. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-520 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:49 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 520@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ <a href="http://www.power100.co.uk/muslimpower100/" rel="nofollow">www.power100.co.uk/muslimpower100/</a> There are approximately 350,000 Muslim households in Britain and the Sharia compliant financial services market has grown substantially since 2003 - growing by almost 50% in the last year alone. Furthermore there are over 10,000 Muslim millionaires in Britain making them among the most soughtafter customers by The UK’s financial services sector. "Muslims are involved in every walk of British life - from politics, academia, law, the arts and social services to humanitarian aid work, business and finance. "As chancellor, I want in particular to acknowledge the enormous contribution the Muslim community makes to our economy. And with business creation higher in the Muslim community than in many other sections of our society, British Muslims are playing a vital role in the next stage of Britain's economic development," he said. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6351057.stm Muslim top 100 list is published <a href="http://www.allied-media.com:80/AM/default.htm" rel="nofollow">www.allied-media.com:80/AM/default.htm</a> American Muslims are Well-Educated 67% of American Muslims have a Bachelor's degree or higher 44% of Americans have a Bachelor’s degree or higher3 The Variance for Advanced Degrees is even greater. One in ten American Muslim HH has a physician / medical doctor American Muslims are Affluent U.S. Average income is $42,158 per year (U.S. Census 2000) 66% of American Muslim HH's earn over $50,000 / year 26% of American Muslim HH's earn over $100,000 / year Annual Household Income range for American Muslims The Qur'an, Knowledge, and Science <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/scislam.html" rel="nofollow">www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/scislam.html</a> <a href="http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm" rel="nofollow">www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm</a> The Bible, The Qur'an and Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille --------------- The EXPLORING THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLE OF THE HOLY QUR'AN <a href="http://www.scienceinquran.com/" rel="nofollow">www.scienceinquran.com/</a> http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-519 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:29 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 519@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Raybright, ely, carol and erick New Muslim Elites and Substantive Citizenship by Konrad Pedziwiatr 01 March 2007 <a href="http://www.euro-islam.info/spip/article.php3?id_article=315" rel="nofollow">www.euro-islam.info/spip/article.php3?id_article=315</a> The members of the new Muslim elites emerging in European cities possess a number of crucial means that allow them to choose between different courses of action and move beyond the formal to more substantive forms of citizenship. Notably, one of the biggest transformations in recent years within Islam in Great Britain, as well as in larger Western Europe, is that it has ceased to be only the religion of immigrants and is now becoming a religion of European-born citizens. British elites converting to Islam Nicholas Hellen and Christopher Morgan The Sunday Times - Britain <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1010553,00.html" rel="nofollow">www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1010553,00.html</a> The new face of Islam The phenomenon of educated, white, middle class English converts to Islam.by Nick Compton <a href="http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonlife/articles/360513" rel="nofollow">www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonlife/articles/360513</a> England may become Muslim state 15.06.2007 english.pravda.ru/world/europe/93437-0/ It is worthy of note that the number of native British citizens converting to Islam has been growing too. Many of them decide to change their religion in the endeavour to improve their financial well-being. The role of Muslim individuals in the British society has been getting more and more important recently. Muslims’ incomes are higher as opposed to those of Christians. There are a lot of Muslim real estate owners in Great Britain. Recent opinion polls conducted among British Muslims aged from 25 to 34 showed that an average Muslim person makes up to 25 pounds sterling ($50,000) a year, which is a bigger number in comparison with an average Briton. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-518 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:17 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 518@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ RayBright, the Western culture all came from us. Without Islam there would be no western culture, that is why it is now reverting back to it'[s true owners. Buy the books below and read. Also, this thread showed you for the lying bigot low brained sewer rat that youare. I proved you wrong on all counts. Also you consider Saar an ally, whose religion allows sex with girl who is aged 3 and upwards (see links below) which means you have no basis to object to The Prophets' marriage to Aisha. She was at least sexually true, when she consummated it. Sir George Bernard Shaw in 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936. "If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam." "The civilization of Islam was by far the most advanced and the most creative in the world. Muslims led the world in science and developed a highly sophisticated, economic system of production and exchange, with a remarkably advanced system of banking and credit." Where does this civilizational energy and creativity come from?" <a href="http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewSection&amp;intSectionID=308" rel="nofollow">http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewSection&amp;intSectionID=308</a> Discover the Muslim origins of many Western discoveries Discover Muslim Heritage in our World in seven conveniently organised zones: home, school, market, hospital, town, world and universe. ---------------- MuslimHeritage.com, a unique online Education Community, that brings together Muslims and Non-Muslims seeking to advance Civilisation through the study of Muslim Heritage. <a href="http://www.muslimheritage.com/day_life/default.cfm" rel="nofollow">www.muslimheritage.com/day_life/default.cfm</a> "It is highly probable that but for the Arabs modern European civilisation would never have arisen at all; it is absolutely certain that but for them, it would not have assumed that character which has enabled it to transcend all previous phases of evolution." R. Briffault: The Making of Humanity. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-517 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:17 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 517@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ RayBright, and Saar, or whomever. I changed my name to soemthing easier you and saar and erick, are incredibly stupid. You apply the standards of today, to an age where all men were marrying girls that age. The Prophets marriage to Aisah was arranged by her father. It was common at that time you moron, all over the world, Child brides as young as 8 (eight) were common among the Byzantine emperors and nobility! The age consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago for girls' marriage was as little as 10, As for Islam, marriage to a child is permitted (the contract only) and you can consummate the marriage when she is sexually mature, ie when she starts menstrating. We will never change those laws for hypocrites like you (girls are getting pregnant at age 11 in the so called West, and atheist societies and they have to go to courts to get their rights. The Islamic system already gives them their rights which the girls father secures and it is written in her marriage contract. Aisha always described her life with Prophet as a happy one, she spoke extensively of the love she had for The Prophet and that he always treated women well. He is the model Muslim men should follow. The perfect man. He was a ladies man, and the most sought after man on the planet at that time. Stop being jealous of him. You’d never get anyone like him, assuming you’re a woman. You’d get someone like Stalin, or Pol Pot or Mao since you trumpet atheism. Are you a woman? You need a good lay from the way you write, (sexual frustration) and if you're a man, i bet you're one of those weido's who sits and masturbates, and that women run away from Thats why you're jealous of the Prophet, you and Saar. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-516 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:17 +0000 ErickS 516@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Amen, brother! Haha, you've put on the war paint. I like that. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-515 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:17 +0000 RayBright 515@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ I agree with one thing you say, that at this time when you have been left behind by all except the poorest and most backward black Africans, OIL is your salvation. Therefore I advocate that civilized nations should take that oil away from your control. It will require a very slight military effort to take OUR oil away from Muslims. Now I say our, because it was us, the Western Culture, who discovered the oil, and the internal combustion engine and other the ways to use it. It was also us who built and engineered the refineries. The only logical thing is to take over the coast of the Persian Golf. Muslims would not be able to fight back. And once it is taken over, the Mussies will lose every means of supporting their uncontrollable breading. At that time we could give them a choice, you are welcome to come and work for us, if and only if, you wipe your asses with Koran and publicly proclaim that "Muhammad was a pig". After such declaration, you will be officially cleansed from this mental and social disease called Muhammadanism, and you will be admitted to the ranks of normal civilized people. Of course you will require a few years to learn how to be human, but we will be willing to assist and train you. Those who would chose to stick to their Islam, will be welcome to stay in their deserts and enjoy having sex with their camels. One more thing would be good, to nuke Mecca. Of course we would first warn the Mussies, and we would encourage them to trust Allah and go to Mecca to see how Allah is going to protect them. This way all the really idiotic Mussies would be turned into plasma, and the rest will have a chance consider a more intelligent and more humane belief system. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-514 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:17 +0000 Anonymous 514@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Definitely, I threw that out to create more hoopla. In the ancient world children grew up quicker than today. Girls were married off way younger, at least at time of menstruation. The question is how young did they lose their virginity? Betrothed does not have to mean lost virginity then and there. Does the Torah tell us how old was Rivka and Rachel when they lost their virginity to Yitzchak and Yaacov? Yaacov waited way after 14 years old due to Lavan's trickery. Did Yitzchak have a jolly good time like Mr. Mohammed with young girls before puberty? There are specific words in the Torah that we know that shows sexual relations occurred. Where in the Torah do we see this? This is what I take from it, I might be wrong. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-513 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:17 +0000 danny1961 513@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Be careful about pedophiles. We might have a problem with Rivkah's age at marriage and Rachel's child betrothal. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-512 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:16 +0000 Anonymous 512@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ That's the problem. A crazy pedophile gets stoned in the desert, and hallucinates seeing an angelic being telling him he is the One. You know I have a movie called the Matrix, you want to change religions again? http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-511 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:16 +0000 Eli_6 511@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Ye, right, whatever. Prophet this and that, and shish-kebab on you. I guess i am racist though. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-510 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:16 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 510@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Dear Eli, Tch Tch, what a racist mind you have, White man? I guess you havn’t heard of the Russia being a quarter Muslim, Europeans converting to Islam and what about the white Arabs? The Ummah comprises all colours, from black to white and everything in between, America following suit. China, Africa, South America, as well as "white" in your racist mind countries. Canada too by the way, As for the future, no our time isn’t up, nor ever will be, but read Devarim carfully and see whom God cursed. Ishmael wasn't cursed, The Quran “We (Allah) have written in the Scripture, after the Reminder: My righteous slaves will inherit the earth.” (Al-Anbiya': 105)" (Qur'an, 9:32-33) They desire to extinguish God's Light with their mouths. But God refuses to do other than perfect His Light, even though the unbelievers detest it. It is He Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the True Religion to exalt it over every other religion, even though the idolaters detest it. (Al-Baqarah 2:143) “Thus We (God) have made you a just nation, that (with the example of your lives) you be witnesses before all mankind.” (Al ‘Imraan 3:110) “You are the best of people ever raised up for mankind; .” and as The Prophet said: Hadeeth (oral law) "The Keys to the treasures of the world were given to me. And after me my people (Ummah) will carry those treasures from place to place. " Dear Eli, what were you saying about the White man taking our resources? You cannot take that which God gives, and why did the US lose the war in Iraq, and Russia in Afghanistan? tch tch, another blessing in disguise, The Atheist Saddam was deposed, and now Iraqi's have voted in Sharia law. Alhamdulillah, Once they went to the polls, secular Iraqi educated women voted for the Islamic parties, as did most other Iraqis. But america went bankrupt. In the near future wtach what happens when we dump the dollar as the oil currency. God's hand at work. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-509 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:16 +0000 Eli_6 509@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ For sure. This period is only temporary. It's almost over for you. What are you gonna do next? Your reserves will be split amongst the invading Western powers, this is what the white man has in store for you. Your blessing is also your curse. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74&page=2#post-508 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:05:16 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 508@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Noname, Did you read what i wrote? I didn't say nobody else didn't contribute anything, nor did i say that the west contributed ZERO I certainly acknowledge the contribution that other groups and nations have made to humanity, but you missed the point, in 1400 hundred years, nobody gifted humanity more than Islam and Muslims did more for humanity than anyone. As God said to Abraham, and as he said to the Prophet. How did the Prophet know that he would be the most influential man in history? History proved that true. also at our lowest ebb, it's the oil and naturla mineral wealth (God given) that is still keeping us influential. This was foretold too. This period is only temporary. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-507 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:56 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 507@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Admin Please explain why my posts were not posted, the 2 long ones, http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-506 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:46 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 506@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ This bad time that we are going thru now, was foretold, at our lowest ebb, ..it's a punishment for our sins. That is why we God put all that oil and mineral wealth under our feet. Even when he punishes us, he won't desert us, (his words in the QUran) The Propeht told us, that the Calipahte would fall twice, and after the second time we would suffer degradation and humilation, dabble with nationism and other sins, (hence the extremism) but when the Caliphate rises again it will never fall. The future is Islamic. There will come a time when every soul on earth will know God. It will be a golden age for humanity. It is in this time that the Messiah will reign. SAAR likes to kid himself, that Judaism is superior yet can't explain why all Propehts in isaacs lineage cannot mathch Mohameed in influence. Mohammed is the most influential man in history. Old man Abraham must be grinning from ear to ear when he looks down. Thats not something an ignorant atheist will understand, now go back to your wichess, and devil,s and superstition,s and monsters, and burning people at stakes and the rest of your dark history. Leave us to spread God's light throught the world (Quran and Islam) http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-505 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:46 +0000 RayBright 505@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Hahaha-hahahaha-haha Have hard time typing while laughing. You poor Mussie! I feel sorry for you. What I described is such a likely explanation of your perverted "prophet's" life that it is bound to get under your skin. IT is a very believable story based on your own disgusting "holy" books: Koran and Hadith(may pig's wipe their asses with them). Now the funniest part was about how everything Muslims touch turns into gold, platinum and diamonds. Hahahahahahaha... you are such an idiot. Got to Cairo, go to Sana, go to Istanbul, go to any Mussie city or town in the world (except for where the Mussie parasites live of our oil)and you see SHIT. You see lousy dirty streets, poor people, beaten up cars, crowds of beggars. Homosexual men walking around holding hands and or with arms around each other shoulder. And horny young men sexually attacking molesting women. It is hard to find a woman in Cairo who has not been molested. I have talked to tens of women who traveled in Muslim countries and they hate them. Everywhere they go, the horny Musies try to grab their breast, they whistle after them as if they were dogs. Musies are DISGUSTING and you know it and that's why you are upset, and that's why I am laughing. Because I know that truth hurts. And your lies don't hurt, they make people laugh. I have also traveled in Pakistan, and it is filthy disgusting with poor diseased people everywhere. Where is your gold, platinum and diamonds, Mussie? http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-504 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:46 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 504@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Raybright I know your type, you hypocritcally fabricate history to make Jews look like victims here, simply because you see them as allied to you, and if you didn't you'd be the first to exchange one bigotry for another and say the same to Muslims, if you needed them or thought they were you allies. It was your type that spent time fabricating The Protocals, and saying Jews killed Jesus and such... You're just a opportunisitic parasite. The reason your cause is a failure and doomed (as you are seeing before you eyes) is because anything built on lies and dreams falls, and turns everthing it touches to shit. By comparison everythign we touch turns to Gold, platinum and diamonds. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-503 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:46 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 503@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ The above is all lies, and i've commented on Aisha below. The rest is all lies. The jews who were annihilated allied themselves to the enemy after breaking their contract. They comitted treason, but only the ones who were faithful to their treaty went on to do very well. Read Islmaic history instead of keeping your head in whichever sewer of excrement it's in noow. The Prophets personal physician was an orthodox Jews, adn some of his closest companions were Jewish. the ones who broke their treaty comitted treason. They put to death by one of their own, Saad bin Muadh, who was one of the Prophet's commanders. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-502 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:45 +0000 RayBright 502@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Poor Muslim, You cannot rebut anything. You are a follower of a pedophile who married a 6 years old child and consummated his "marriage" when she was 9 and he in his mid 50s! You follow a disgusting individual, and you are disgusting, whatever you say is not going to change that! But since you claim that you rebut my assertions, let see how you can rebut the following: In the Hadith Aisha describes how surprised she was when Muhammad penetrated her. She was a child and she has not heard about sex. Interesting thing here is that in her sincere and innocent report she does not mention any pain. This testifies to Muhammad having a tinny baby-sized prick. This can easily generate a lot of psychological problems for a man. It can also explain why a 9 year old became his favorite "wife". The having and under-developed penis was a psychological torture of his life from his early youth. He finally confined in an older woman Khadija who took pity upon him and married him. He indeed stayed faithful to Khadija. Of course he was never able to satisfy his noble wife and suffered from a deep inferiority complex. This constant psychological pain drove him to psychotic breakdown where he started hallucinating and hearing voices. He confined in his wife and told her about his psychotic episode, but she out of her love and compassion told him that: "No don't worry my darling, it was God speaking to you". Slowly, slowly, supported by his loving wife, he started believing that indeed God spoke to him. He found a very few others who believed in this story, and with each "convert" he was more convinced. Unfortunately for humanity she died, and Muhammad-the-baby-prick knew it will be hard for him to find another woman. He set his eyes on Aisha when she was a baby, by the time she was 6 he proposed and got married, and finally started raping her when she was 9. After that, the only women he got were through rape of slaves and forced marriage. The special law instituted by Allah on behalf of Muhammad was that none of his women were allowed to re-marry after he fucked them. Neither during his life, nor after. That was to keep the size of his tiny-prick confidential and not embarrass him. His prophet-hood was the ultimate compensation for his inferiority. He had to be the final, greatest prophet. He was also the most perfect human being. His inferiority complex also explains why he was incapable of forgiving anyone. He could not forgive even the slightest insult. He ordered assassination of the woman poet what wrote couplets about him. He killed girls that participated in a skid humoring him, and above all he hated Jews because they laughed at his presumptuous claim to prophet-hood. Jews were more sophisticated than their primitive Arab neighbors and could see through Muhammad's pretense. He never forgave them. ==================================================== Now my poor Muslim friend, please refute the above analysis. I hope Danny will make an exception and allow your idiocy to be exposed for everyone to see. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-501 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:45 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 501@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ If you are serious about debate here, then you will post my posts, otherwise i see no point in posting here, where posts are censored when they rebut RayBrite, Carol, ErickS, and the other Islamophobes. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-500 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:31 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 500@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Erick S You end timers are pathetic, you’re antisemites who pretend a love for Israel whilst hating the religion of Judaism. Your pagan God is an anathema to Israel. Satan has no power, that is something Paul fabricated. You comit idolatry by saying otherwise, just like you do when you say jesus is God, or is 3. The early Christians did none of these things. They were made up by Paul. As for your end time prophecies, they’ve always been false because you reject Jesus religion and follow Paul. Jesus didn’t reject the laws, nor did he say he was God. He only clashed with the Pharisees over his interpretion, not the basics of faith. He was still a monotheistic. Paul was not. This is Paul foretold in Daniel 11.14) "And the members of the outlaws of your nation would be carried to make a (prophetic) vision stand but they will stumble" See the links below of the 70 or so times you thought the end was nigh and it’s always wrong but you comitted so much mass murder to bring them about but failed. That’s why Jesus said: (Matthew 7:22-23) "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" 64 FAILED END-OF-THE-WORLD PREDICTIONS BEFORE 1990 <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm" rel="nofollow">www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm</a> Christian Confusion On End-Times Nonsense "People who are obsessed with end times have never learned from history. They've been 100 percent wrong, 100 percent of the time." <a href="http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/ccon.htm" rel="nofollow">www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/y2k/ccon.htm</a> 1973 This idiot is still at it! Hal Lindsey publishes in his best-selling book 'Late Great Planet Earth' that there will be only one generation between Israel's new statehood and the End Time. Although he does not state the date he provides many of the arguments upon which the date 1988 is based. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-499 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:18 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 499@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ From Moses to Maimonades...you know the saying..you got your greatest influence after Moses from us. Maimonides was very pro Islamic. The Propeht foretold this, You are either ignorant of your own history or you read a falsified one, <a href="http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1999/1/Great%20Rabbis%20of%20the%20Muslim%20Empire" rel="nofollow">www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1999/1/Great%20Rabbis%20of%20the%20Muslim%20Empire</a> For over 500 years, the Jews of the Muslim Empire enjoyed stability,prosperity and religious autonomy. As opposed to the oppressive atmosphere in Northern Europe, the Jews lived, for the most part, in a tolerant civilization, one that valued excellence in the arts, the sciences and trade. The new methods that developed in the vast Muslim Empire for the communication of knowledge and the codification of law were employed by the Rabbis in order to keep in contact with the ever-expanding Jewish Diaspora. Codification Yet, ironically, as the influence of the Babylonian academies spread, it became clear that the Talmud was simply too vast to transmit. To address this problem, the Geonim employed a technique newly developed in the Muslim world: codification. Of the innovations that the rabbinic world inherited from the Muslim empire, this probably had the greatest impact. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-498 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:18 +0000 Anonymous 498@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ "Maimonides copied OUR codification, that God gave us. You took from us, not the other way round."??? I really don't have to say anything anymore to Leroy Jones, he, she through the comments above have proven my point. Islam and Christianity have this problem. They think they were born in a vacuum. Maimonides copying Islam???? Jewish Talmudic system whether you believe in it or not, out dates Islam by at least 800 years. Maimonides codified the Talmud. Have some respect, my crazy little cousin. Mohammed again lived in an area of Arabia with a heavy Jewish and Christian population. Medina was heavily Jewish. He was influenced heavily by Jewish tribes that eventually moved on after being almost devastated by Mohammed to Yemen. If any one was a traitor it was Mohammed. Islamists contradict themselves when they get upset. Islam does not believe in "many different ways to G-d". They ethnically cleansed and forcibly converted the mostly Christian, Jewish, and Pagan Middle East to a backwards Islamic Arab Middle East. They continue to wage a global war to bring the whole world under Dar Al Islam (your definition of "peace"). I do not see my comments about Avicenna and Alhazen posted, but you can't rebut any of the comments about the fact that the more Islam became entrenched the more backward the Arab Middle East became. and please no more links, the internet is full of links that refute everything you say. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-497 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:18 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 497@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ I changed my name from CharlesMartel to something better descripitive of me. If Islam was poor copy of Judaism,you in 6000 years would have influenced humanity more than we did in 1400 years, I guess thats humiliating to swallow huh? Had God wanted us all to follow the same religion he would have given Adam one Revelation for all humanity. He didn't. When i said we already follow the laws, i meant the basics that God wants us to Follow. The ones we dont' follow in the Torah were those specifillay for Jews, Teh Shabot is onlyfor Jews. We don't claim to be Jews, we do however acknowledge that those who practice the Torah are righteous as are other monotheistic followers of all the Prophets. Abraham didn’t practice the laws yet he was righteous. Who do you think you’re talking to you ass? Maimonides copied OUR codification, that God gave us. You took from us, not the other way round. The Quran is for Muslim,s maybe you didn't read what i wrote, when i said ALL MONOTHEISMS ARE RECOGNISED. As for you saying Islam was copied, Judaism is said to be copied in the referneces below, ie. the Hebrews stole the religion of the ancient Canaanites and fabricated a book and myths, the birth of Moses which was copied from the legend of Sargon of Akkad, Noah flood copied from the Gilgamesh myth, and the others in the links below. -------------- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad A Neo-Assyrian text (7th century BC) describes his birth and his early childhood: faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/Joe12pages/sargon_is_the_great_teacher_who_.htm <a href="http://www.ancientdays.net/creationstories.htm" rel="nofollow">www.ancientdays.net/creationstories.htm</a> The writers of the Old Testament, however, borrowed motifs and allusions from the myths of Mesopotamia and Canaan <a href="http://www.maryforrest.com/mythology/#judaism" rel="nofollow">www.maryforrest.com/mythology/#judaism</a> Mythology (Richard McLaughlin) The Hebrews may have developed monotheism from Akhenaten <a href="http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/Joe12pages/sargon_is_the_great_teacher_who_.htm" rel="nofollow">http://faculty.mdc.edu/jmcnair/Joe12pages/sargon_is_the_great_teacher_who_.htm</a> Sargon was a self-made man of humble origins; a gardener, having found him as a baby floating in a basket on the river, brought him up in his own calling. So why would The Prophet copy a copied religion? He was inspired by God, and proof is that he is the most influential man in history. His influence is greater than all the Prophets in your lineage, http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-496 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:18 +0000 Anonymous 496@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ You prove my point, Islam is a mediocre copy at best of Judaism. Islam systematically tried to accuse the Jews of "changing the Torah", and corrupting Judaism. Mohammed like Jesus was a flake with delusions of grandeur, and the rabbis saw that. They kick him out, and he got pissed off. Jews suffered horribly under Islamic control, where is that "but you don’t have to be Muslim to be righteous" nonsense?? "If you follow Torah you’re righteious, and God’s laws are binding on all believers, we follow them through the Quran." So you observe Shabbat on the 7th day, you believe Isaac was blessed and Ishmael was cast away??? (He got his own blessing, but not the true covenant that Isaac and Jacob received). You celebrate Pesach, Shavuot, etc??? Where in the Torah does it say to fast 1 month? Where is Mecca and Medina in the Torah??? Where is the Kabbah in the Torah?? You want me to continue? When is the last time you learned anything about Judaism? Mr. Charles..., cant even give his own name, evades all arguments because he like many muslim converts (whats your real name, Leroy Jones?) do not have any original thought in their little brains. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-495 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:18 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 495@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ Saar Your posts exhibit a total ignorant about Islam, We don’t have a replacement theology, nor do we consider Islam the only route to God, all monotheistic religions and follwers of any of the Prophets that God sent are recognised as Righteous. What do you mean Ishmel replacing isaac? That is not Islamic belief, If you follow Torah you’re righteious, and God’s laws are binding on all believers, we follow them through the Quran. It’s christianity that practices replacement theology and sees everyoen as condemned to hell if they don’t believe in man/god Jesus. Mohammed is the final Prophet, but you don’t have to be Muslim to be righteous, you can follow any of the Prophets, before him, from Adam onwards, as long as you’re monotheistic/ Get an education, stupid one! You obviously gained all your knowledge from Islamophobic sites. http://samsonblinded.org/forum/topic.php?id=74#post-494 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:04:00 +0000 CharlesMartelNoMore 494@http://samsonblinded.org/forum/ ErickS The Mongol conquests were a phyricc victory for them, for within a century they had converted to Islam and spread Islam where the Caliphate didn't reach. Of the Prophecies that God gave the Prophet for the Ummah, were just that. the Mongol conquests were foretold. They destroyed the Caliphate, but they were a tool in God's hand, as they took Islam to the Central Asian region which spread to Russia. read more here <a href="http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/tabligh-mongols.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.alinaam.org.za/library/tabligh-mongols.htm</a> The Mongols devasted the empire when they invaded, wheir intent had been to completely wipe it out. Conversion of the Mongols to Islam was one of the few unpredictable events of history. The Tartaric wave of conquest which had swept away the entire Islamic east within a short period of one year was, in truth, not so astounding as the Mongol's converting to Islam during the zenith of their glory because at that time both Christianity and Buddhism stood a better chance at converting the Mongol's to their faith.